Biden warns the country that his running mate’s dangerous inexperience will cause other nations to “test” us.
Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy,” Biden said. “The world is looking.
“We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said.
“Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he’s gonna have to make some really tough – I don’t know what the decision’s gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s gonna happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he’s gonna need help.“
Just another reason among dozens NOT to vote for Obama. Thanks, Joe for telling us the truth about what could happen if Obama wins. I was only worried that his nutty ideas would wreck the economy, kill job growth and cause a depression but now I have to worry about my physical safety and that of my children, as well.
Yeah, scary terrorists. Oooooo. Scary.
Is “Joe” becoming Obama’s least favorite name? First Joe the plumber exposes him as being a “socialist”.
Now his own running mate, Joe Biden, exposes him as being inexperienced and incompetent, when it comes to foreign affairs.
And then Adam’s own words reveal Adam to be totally clueless.
If Obama is a “Socialist”, then we can call Bush and McCain “Nazis”, there’s about as much evidence. And Biden speculates that the world will “test” an Obama presidency. How does that make him “inexperienced and incompetent”? Bush was “tested” by 9/11. Does that make him incompetent?
You know, I had no idea that the thought of an Obama presidency would drive you guys so clinical. The nattering idiocy that I’m hearing is shocking. IMO, there’s plenty of critical things that could be said about Obama. Instead, we get this tin-hat gibbering.
Up your game a little, people.
Double,
Joe the Plumber asked Obama the question and Obama replied with “Spread the wealth around”. That is socialism.
Joe the Six-Term Senator mentions Obama will be “tested” by an “international crisis” and “he’s gonna need help”.
That sure sounds like he is calling into question Obama’s experience in dealing with foreign affairs.
But of course, Obama didn’t mean what he said and neither did Biden .
You tend to learn alot about a candidate when they speak without the aide of a teleprompter. All four of them are terrible without it.
“Spread the wealth around”. That is socialism.
That, Jerry, is the dumbest definition of Socialism I’ve ever read. Even Adam Smith thought that wealth should be spread around.
This is like saying that both Hitler and Bush invaded countries, so Bush is a Nazi.
Please, I beg of you. You’re a reasonably smart guy. Do some reading on economics. The Worldly Philosophers is a great introduction.
Joe the Six-Term Senator mentions Obama will be “tested” by an “international crisis” and “he’s gonna need help”.
That sure sounds like he is calling into question Obama’s experience in dealing with foreign affairs.
Bush was tested by an international crisis and needed help, which most of the world gladly provided. So this means you thought he was incompetent and were calling into question his experience in dealing with foreign affairs?
C’mon, this is weak.
I don’t recall anyone saying this of Bush BEFORE he was elected. The entire world, except a group in Afghanistan, was stunned when 9/11 happened. It was unimaginable. Since then we got are collective shit together and it hasn’t happened again.
It sounds to me like good old Joe is practically BEGGING for a manufactured international crisis so we can all stand in SHOCK and AWE of how swiftly and gracefully B. Hussein Obama handles it.
I’m not sure what else you expected Bush to do. Within a month of 9/11 we were in Afghanistan going after the group responsible. You can’t get much more swift than that, unless you’re on a boat in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a nosebleed.
DPU – interesting that you would suggest that we read a book on economics written by a life long socialist.
Here’s what wikipedia says about the author.
Robert Heilbroner
“Though an outspoken socialist for nearly his entire career, Heilbroner famously wrote in a 1989 New Yorker article: Less than 75 years after it officially began, the contest between capitalism and socialism is over: capitalism has won…Capitalism organizes the material affairs of humankind more satisfactorily than socialism.”
But if I get a chance I’ll definitely get the book. I always like to learn something new. It might help me understand social… er. liberals.
Try reading either of these two books if you want to learn the right lessons on economics.
Freedomnomics: Why the Free Market Works and Other Half-Baked …
by John R. Lott – Business & Economics
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism
by Robert P. Murphy
Thanks for the recommendations, Adam, but I’m already familiar with both free market economics and monetarism.
But seeing as you’re knowledgeable in economics, perhaps you can answer the question I asked (again) in another threat. What mechanism, introduced by the Democratic congress since 2006, has resulted in the current crisis? I’m dying to know.
Obama will easily win in a few weeks, and he will usher in a new vision, a change in the right direction. It will happen, and all you naysayers on the side will spend the next eight (yes, EIGHT!!) years trying to chip away at him. You will be wasting your energies on fighting social and economic progress, and in the end, YOU WILL LOSE. You conservatives will be seen in the same light as flat-earth, 10,000 year-old earth creationist, racial segregationists, and those who thought rock and roll, jeans, and peace hippies would destroy our society.
Bob Dylan was right then, and he’s right now:
“Come gather round people wherever you roam
And admit that the waters around you have grown
And accept it that soon you’ll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth saving
Then you’d better start swimming or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times, they are a changing
Come writers and critics who prophesize with your pens
And keep your eyes WIDE, the chance won’t come again
And don’t speak too soon, FOR the wheel’s still in spin
And there’s no telling who that it’s naming
FOR the loser will be later to win
For the times, they are a changing
Come senators, congressmen, please head the call
Don’t stand in the doorway, don’t block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be HE WHO has stalled
The battle outside ragging will soon shake your windows
And rattle your WALLS
For the times, they are a changing
Come mothers and fathers THROUGH OUT THE land
And don’t criticize what you can’t understand
Your sons and your daughter are beyond your command
Your old role is rapidly aging
Please get out of the new one if you can’t lend YOUR hand
For the times they are a changing
The line, it is drawn, the curse, it is cast
The slow one NOW will later be fast
AS the present now will LATER be the past
The order is rapidly fading
AND The first one now will later be last
For the times, they are a changing.”
++U, I have to disagree with you. The opposite of Socialist is not Nazi. Hitler was a Socialist Nazi (heavy on the Nazi though). Socialism, or at least a modified version of it, works. It’s been working in our nation for nearly 100 years, and it will continue to work. Is Europe working? Ok, they live longer, they have more days off, they drink and smoke more, lower rates of obesity, less crime, but wait, they pay higher taxes!! I’ll gladly pay higher taxes for a cleaner, safer, and happier society. Hit me!!
It’s not so much their actions but also their inactions. Here’s a couple of articles that I found online. quick summary that I found online.
I have to work, so I can’t really spend that much time writing 10 page essays.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/are-democrats-driving-an-economic-downturn/
http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/how-obama-and-democrats-screwed-drilling
hope this helps.
Link 1 – there isn’t a single item in those listed that would contribute to the financial crisis.
Link 2 – drilling? Drilling? Are you serious?
I don’t need a 10 page essay, just a sentence or two indicating which legislation that the congress passed in the last two years that caused this crisis. Should be easy.
It was their inaction to the looming crisis that is the problem. The warning signs were there and they did NOTHING to help prevent it. They blocked efforts (legislation) that could have prevented this crash.
Damned Democrats, doing nothing to prevent the financial catastrophe that the Republicans were causing. Let’s hope the Republicans win the election.
This, by the way, is why the Democrats are also responsible for the holocaust, 9/11, and cancer.
They blocked efforts (legislation) that could have prevented this crash.
What legislation did the 2006 congress block that would have prevented this crisis?
It sure gets quiet around here when people are asked to back up their opinions with facts. Not a good sign.
It sure gets quiet around here when people are asked to back up their opinions with facts. Not a good sign.
Most of us have day jobs. It’s apparent that you don’t..
You’ll get your facts soon.
Most of us have day jobs. It’s apparent that you don’t..
Detroit still offers some day jobs?
You’ll get your facts soon.
Great, looking forward to it.
You want facts? I gave you facts, but of course you don’t want to believe them do you?
Why does it have to be something that they did? Why can’t it be simply complete incompetence and the inability to actually do anything positive for the past two years?
I gave you two compelling articles to read but of course that’s not good enough.
You don’t think that allowing oil prices to skyrocket hasn’t destroyed the economy? It has sure brought the Auto business to a screeching halt. We’re kind of sensitive to things like that around here.
Failing to open up the US to more drilling is keeping the prices high and keeping the auto industry from rebounding. Obama and the democrats just paying us a bunch lip service when it comes to drilling. Oh yeah, inflating out tires won’t help as much as drilling no matter what the messiah says.
You don’t think that continually talking about raising taxes or letting the Bush tax cuts expire has contributed to the sheer panic in the markets?
Well here are some other ideas:
How about raising the fuel efficiency standards to unrealistic heights? That along with the $4.00 gas is why we now have to bail out the auto companies.
Don’t you think that raising the minimum wage contributed to the economy collapsing?
You don’t raise taxes on anyone when you’re heading into a recession.
Just that fact that Obama is going to get elected is causing companies to brace for the worst and that too is causing the markets to fall.
Don’t you think that destroying the financial markets contributed to the economic meltdown? I know, I know, you don’t believe that either. Well here’s another compelling article (actually written by a Democrat)
http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html
But you won’t believe that either will you?
All of this information is available on the internet. But you actually have to be intellectually curious to go looking for it, don’t you?
Even your own favorite economist admitted that socialism has failed and that capitalism is superior. So why do democrats keep trying to push us closer to a socialism?
If I had time, I’m sure that I could come up with a few more things that they’ve done or failed to do.
But since you seem to have lots of time on your hands and you’re so sure that Democrats aren’t responsible for the economy taking a tumble. Why don’t you tell us, all of the wonderful things that have happened since the Democrats took control of congress, that have made this a better place to live and that have made the economy stronger?
Or better yet, why don’t you tell me which Bush policies have caused all of this? I’ve been looking but I can’t seem to find anything that Bush did to cause the economy to collapse.
Just because liberals keep repeating the same load of bull doesn’t make it a fact.
Oh and one more thing – what good is a tax cut if we all get laid off?
I gave you two compelling articles to read but of course that’s not good enough.
Those articles did not answer the question. For example, how has not drilling for offshore oil caused the financial crisis? The price of oil would be effected in ten years from now under the best of situations, and even then only by a fractional amount. And even then, OPEC could easily offset that cost benefit by simply producing slightly less. So no, the offshore drilling issue has NOTHING to do with financial crisis, and it’s a waste of everyone’s time and brain cells to even bring it up.
You don’t think that continually talking about raising taxes or letting the Bush tax cuts expire has contributed to the sheer panic in the markets?
If you think this catastrophic crisis has been brought about by fear of high taxes in the investment, I’m at a loss. I don’t think I can continue this discussion. You’re reasoning on this is simply bizarre, and you don’t even understand the basic elements of this crisis.
Don’t you think that raising the minimum wage contributed to the economy collapsing?
Yes, raising the minimum wage to a fraction of what the rest of the industrialized world has has caused a meltdown in the credit markets. I guess that the rest of us have used magic or something in all the past years to keep our markets afloat.
I’m sorry, Adam, but there isn’t much else we can talk about here.
And while I truly enjoyed Ender’s Game, I think that Orson Scott Card is mentally deranged. I certainly don’t take him to be an economist.
If you want some proper information on the crisis, try reading those who accurately predicted it three years ago, they blog – economist Nouriel Roubini and market analysis Barry Ritholtz. While it seems important to you, I can’t tell you if they’re left or right wing. They cover economics, and I value their expertise rather than their party affiliations (if they have any).
I said that the democrats destroyed the economy. I didn’t limit it to just the financial crisis. So, my facts covered how they destroyed the entire economy. That must be too much for you to take in so next time i’ll try to slow it down.
Anyhow, I do believe I provided plenty of evidence that the democrats caused the financial crisis as well.
How much more evidence do you need?
I still stand by my statement: “Democrats destroy the economy and then they blame George Bush. And they think we’re stupid enough to fall for this load of bull.”
But as predicted you can’t or won’t accept any information that distorts your worldview. You’re like a child standing in the corner shouting la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
You’re professors must be so proud, your indoctrination has taken quite well. You will go far in the new world order. Fear not, once comrade Obama is elected life will be good for all.
I said that the democrats destroyed the economy. I didn’t limit it to just the financial crisis. So, my facts covered how they destroyed the entire economy.
Here is the question that I asked you and that you responded to:
What mechanism, introduced by the Democratic congress since 2006, has resulted in the current crisis? I’m dying to know.
You said nothing about applying your links and discussion to “the economy”. You’re either lying or confused. Maybe reread the thread?
So let’s narrow this down a bit to avoid further confusion. How has a moratorium on some offshore drilling affected either the financial crisis or the economy in general. You posted a link and an opinion that they had, I pointed out that drilling of this sort results in a small decrease in the price of oil after about a decade of production, and that decrease is very easily offset by a small decline in OPEC production which would raise prices back up.
Hopefully that isn’t confusing. Can you answer?
What did they do in the past 2 years? They failed to write any legislation that would have prevented the financial crisis. We pay these guys to look out for us and plan for the future and in that respect they have failed miserably.
Why do you feel it necessary to limit it to the past two years? Isn’t it enough that I’ve proven that they have been completely incompetent for the past 30 years?
So you must agree that they have been completely incompetent for the past 30 years and just inept for the past 2 years. Right?
So where are my answers? Clearly you’ve had some time now. Where are your facts?
As far as explaining how $4.00 gas has impacted the economy? You’ve go to be kidding? It’s taking money out of everyone’s pockets and putting them into the hands of OPEC. Canadians have fared pretty well too haven’t they? But when the average person is paying an additional 100 to 200 dollars a month for fuel? It keeps us from spending money on other things. Maybe we don’t go out to dinner or to a movie as often. Maybe we spend less on things like clothing and food. Therefore, it affects all of the businesses that provide these services. Some of them have gone out of business. I don’t know how it is in your neighborhood, but in mine I’ve seen a lot small businesses close their doors.
People have stopped buying cars and trucks. So, that’s killing the auto industry. Why is that so hard to understand?
I don’t accept the premise that it would take a decade to produce results. I’m convinced that we can get some oil much sooner. So, just because it takes 10 years to get some of the oil out does that mean we don’t even bother? That’s lunacy.
I do believe that any increase in production would have a positive result in the market place. Could OPEC increase prices again buy reducing production? Sure, I’ll give you that, but does that mean we don’t even try? That is ridiculous.
This country has been built on cheap energy. It’s what has made us great. It’s what has made us all the wealthiest people in the history of civilization.
So anyhow, I’ll be anxiously waiting for your facts.
Why do you feel it necessary to limit it to the past two years?
Maybe you need to read the post again. It deals with how congress has screwed the economy in the last two years. Hence my question how they did that in that timeframe.
As far as explaining how $4.00 gas has impacted the economy?
I have no trouble understanding how high oil prices hurt some economies. I was hoping that you would understand my points, whcih were put as clearly as I could. I’ll try again.
Oil is expensive because many people want to buy it, and most nations are producing it near capacity. Hence the price goes up, and the US, as a high consumer, has a large trade deficit, which hurts the economy.
You state that offshore drilling would fix this by lowering oil prices.
My point was that offshore drilling, if started today, would result in gasoline dropping in price about 2% ten years from now. This is due to the length of time required to obtain deep-water drilling equipment (there’s about a three year wait for it right now, and Brazil is hogging the market), and developing pumping, refining and transportation capabilities to handle the new oil.
Having dropped the price of gasoline by two percent, all OPEC has to do is cut back on production by two percent to get the price back up.
First of all, do you understand the points made above?
Secondly, given the points made above, how would offshore drilling prevent the financial crisis?
Hello?